Question by MOMIN: Ramadan: Inspired by ” lebanese Spirit” Why Sunnis by purpose quote Half Hadith to serve their purpose?
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“When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for permission to enter. So Ali said, ‘O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.’ She answerd, ‘Do you want me to give him permission?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: ‘By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His Messenger and you, O Ahlel Bayt.’
Then Hadhrath Umar accompanied by a group, arrived at the house of Fatima and began to bang on the door. When Fatima heard their voices she proclaimed loudly:
‘O people, after Rasulullah (s), the son of Khattab..’
When the people heard Fatima’s voice and her anguish they left in grief weeping, fearing that their hearts would be torn apart� Only Umar and some others remained, the rest returned to their homes. They removed ‘Ali from his home by force and brought him before Abu Bakr, and said ‘Give him bayya’. Umar said:
‘By Allah, who alone is worthy of worship, I shall otherwise strike off your neck’.
‘Ali replied:
‘Would you kill a Slave of Allah (swt) and the brother of the Prophet?’
Umar replied ‘I accept that to you are a Slave of Allah, but not that you are the brother of the Prophet (ie he accuses Ali (as) of lying)’.
Abu Bakr remained silent, and Umar said:
‘Why are you not demanding the bayya from him?’
Abu Bakr replied ‘As long as Fatima is by his side, I shall not pressure him’.
Then ‘Ali went to the grave of Rasulullah, embraced it crying aloud ‘Your Ummah now considers me to be weak and they wish to murder me’.
Meanwhile Umar said to Abu Bakr ‘Accompany me to see Fatima as we have incurred her anger’.
They both wanted to see Fatima and so they approached ‘Ali, who took them to see her. He ['Ali] sat them down but Sayyida Fatima turned her face away from them. They both conveyed salaam to Fatima but she did not reply. Hadhrath Abu Bakr then said ‘Beloved daughter of Rasulullah (s) I love you more than my own daughters, and I cannot tolerate the fact that I remained alive on the day that your father had died. I know your exalted rank and status, but I did not uphold your claim for possessions as Rasulullah had stated ‘Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)’.
Fatima said ‘If I remind the two of you about a hadith that you are aware of, will you then act in accordance with it?’
The two said ‘Yes, do tell us’.
She said ‘I want you to swear by Allah if you can testify to hearing this hadith:
“Fatima’s happiness is my happiness and her anger is my anger. Whoever has maintained friendship with Fatima had maintained friendship with me, whoever upsets her, upsets me”.
Both confirmed hearing this hadith from Rasulullah(s). Sayyida Fatima then said:
I testify before Allah (swt) and his Angels that you (Abu Bakr and Umar) have upset me, you did not keep me happy and I shall complain to Rasulullah (s) about this when I see him.
Abu Bakr then said ‘I seek protection from Allah’s anger and your (the Prophet (saws)’s) anger’. At that moment tears filled Abu Bakr’s eyes and Sayyida Fatima said:
‘I shall curse you in every prayer.’
Abu Bakr left the house hysterical and screamed at the crowd of people that had gathered outside:
‘You people have it (so) easy and go to your beds in peace with your wives at night, whilst you have engulfed me in a terrible crisis (of conscience). I do not need your bayya, revoke the bayya that has been given to me.’
The people said ‘Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) the Khilafat cannot work without you at the helm’.
ref from Sunni Books
1. al Imama wa al Siyasa pages 18-30 Dhikr Bayya Abu Bakr
2. Tareekh Abul Fida Volume 1 page 156 Dhikr bayya Abu Bakr; we relied on the Urdu translation by Maulana Kareem’ud Deen al Hanafi pages 177-179;
3. Iqd al Fareed page 179
4. Tareekh al Tabari Volume 13 page 1818 Dhikr Wafaath Nabi, we relied on the English translation Volume 9 page 187
5. al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr Volume 1 page 246 Dhikr Abdullah in Abi Quhafa
6. Sharh ibn al Hadeed Volume 1 page 157
7. Al Mihal wa al Nihal Volume 1 page 77, Dhikr Nizameeya
8. Muruj adh-Dhahab by Abd al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn al Masudi Volume 3 page 198
9. Izalath ul Khifa by Al Muhaddith Shah Waliyullah Dehlavi Volume 2 page 226 (Urdu translation, Qur’an Mehal publishers, Karachi)
10. al Bayana Izalathul Khifa Volume 2 page 29
11. Tareekh Kamil by Ibn Atheer Volume 11 page 113
12. Tareekh Ahmadi by Ahmad Husayn Khan Sahib pages 111-112
13. Taufa Ithna Ashari, by al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlavi page 292 Dhikr Muthain Umar
14. Al Murthada by Hafidh Abdul Rahman al Hanafi page 45 (Amritsar edition)
15. Mukhthasar Kanz al Ummal bur Hushiya Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal Volume 2 page 184 (Egypt).
16. Kitab Mukhthasar fi Ahbar
Best answer:
Answer by Mohammad Ridzuwan
Is this the real definition of Shia?
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Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, once said to one of his companions: “O Jabir! It is not enough that a person says; I am a Shia and I love the Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. and the Holy Prophet Muhammad’s family (Ahlul Bayt) and the Imams. By Allah, a Shia is the one who is perfectly pious and obedient to Allah’s commands. Anyone else is not a Shia no matter how much they say they love Imam Ali and no matter what they call themselves.”
“O Jabir! Our Shias are known by these signs:
- They are truthful, trustworthy and loyal;
- They always remember Allah;
- They offer their Prayers, observe fasts, and recite the Holy Qur’an;
- They act nicely towards their parents;
- They help their neighbours, take care of orphans, and SAY NOTHING BUT GOOD OF PEOPLE;
- They are worthy of people’s trust and confidence.”
Imam Jafar Sadiq: Our Shias are those who are pious and men of solid opinion, they are loyal and trustworthy, they are men of piety and worship, they pray fifty one (51) Rak’ats prayers during day and night, they are usually awake in the night, they observe fasts during the day, they purify their property (by paying poor-rate [Zakat]) they perform Hajj of Holy Kaaba, they abstain from all that which is forbidden.
Imam Jafar Sadiq: He is not from our Shia who lives in a population of several thousand people and someone else is more pious than him among them.
Imam Jafar Sadiq: He is not from our Shia who accepts us by only his tongue and is against our actions and our legacy.
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1- There is a Sahih Hadith in Al-Kafi, the Shia book of Hadith:
“The Prophets did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance, but they left knowledge.” (al-Kafi, vol. 1 p. 42)
2- Ali (رضّى الله عنه) did not return Fadak, but rather he continued to use Fadak in the exact same manner as Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) did. All of the Shia counter-arguments to this are of an obviously weak nature. If Ali (رضّى الله عنه) used Fadak as a Waqf, then there is nothing wrong in Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) doing this as well.
These two facts completely nullify the Shia accusations against Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه), which are nothing but slanderous lies.
(ahlelbayt.com)
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